Posts tagged ‘flooring’

April 11, 2010

Wheelin’ and Dealin’

by Katie

When you’re working to update or upgrade an entire home, nothing (to me) is more painful than writing a check for something you’ve already paid for.

That’s right.  While writing a check for the down payment on those cabinets or flooring material can be tough, it’s even worse if it’s a check for labor that needs to be done a second time.

Remember when I told you about our water-damaged kitchen floor?  As Murphy’s Law would have it, of course it’s the only floor we’ve replaced thus far (aside from the tiny guest bathroom/laundry room).  It had been finished less than 6 blissful months when we had to tear a chunk of it back up again.

Missing Floor

There it is, with the so-called underbelly of “moisture-barrier” exposed.

Our installer and general handyman-type-guy Mike came over to pull up the flooring (which is a click-and-lock type laminate not glued to the subfloor) and take a look at the damage.  Only a couple of boards were truly damaged, but unfortunately we still needed to order a whole new box of laminate because we barely had any leftover from the first install.

Great.  Now I had to deal with the sales guy again.  Here’s the thing you should understand about flooring places.  Many of them will have the guys who work in the store selling the material.  We’ll call them “sales guys.”  Then they have the guys who work out in the field doing installs.  We’ll call them “install guys.”  (*Please excuse my generalization by using the term “guys” when describing flooring people.  I’m sure there are plenty of women in the industry, but my guys were… well, guys.)  Now here’s the important part:  the install guys do not necessarily work directly for the flooring company. Many of them work for themselves and get hired out to do labor for the flooring company.

Here’s how this works.  My sales guy Jimmy also happens to be the owner of the flooring store.  When we originally ordered my floor from him, he charged us not only for the flooring material, but also for the install.  Then he hired Mike to install our floors.  This means we paid an inflated price for the install because Jimmy needed to pay Mike, but he also took a cut for himself.  Nothing wrong with that – it’s one way stores make profit, which they need to make a living.

However, here’s where it gets tricky.  When we needed labor done a second time, we were kind of stuck going through Jimmy once again because we needed to order new material – otherwise, we would’ve gone directly to Mike and saved a buck.

So here’s what happened:

Floor broke.

I called Jimmy, who said he’d send Mike to look at the damage.  Jimmy told me this visit would not cost anything.

Mike came over and asked if he could pull up the flooring to look at the damage.  Mike told me this would not cost anything.  Five minutes later, a bunch of my floor was missing, along with a bit of the baseboards.

Jimmy called me the next day with the quote.  He said it would be $466.83 at a minimum!!!

I asked him to break it down for me.  He fluidly rolled off a bunch of items and their costs, including $125 for “labor from the other day.”

“What?” I asked.

“Labor from the other day.  You know, when Mike came over.”

“I was told that wouldn’t cost anything, Jimmy.”

“What?”

“Jimmy, I don’t let anyone do any work in my house without first asking how much it’s going to cost.  I was told, Jimmy, that 5 minutes of labor, which I easily could have done before Mike arrived, wasn’t going to cost me anything.” I tend to excessively use someone’s name when I start to get upset.  “But now you’re telling me it cost $125??”

“Oh, well I didn’t realize we’d told you that.”

Huh.  So if they hadn’t told me that (or if I hadn’t asked), I basically would have gotten screwed.

Jimmy reneged on the $125, but he told me Mike would not be putting the baseboards back on.  I told him that was fine, since his guys didn’t bother to caulk and finish it the first time.  All I had to do was nail it back up.  However, since Mike is such a great guy, he put it up anyway.  We didn’t tell Jimmy.

What’s the lesson here, everyone?  When you are dealing with a vendor, please remember the following things:

  • Do not be scared.  You are hiring them. Not the other way around.
  • You are allowed to ask questions. This kind of goes along with the first, but I want to make sure it sinks in.
  • Ask for an itemized list of costs. Again, you are paying these people – most likely a substantial amount of money.  You have a right to see where it’s going.  How much for the flooring?  The moisture barrier?  Are they replacing any subfloor?  How much for the labor?  And don’t do it over the phone, like me – go into the store and look at the list in person.
  • Sales guys aren’t necessarily horrible people out to take you for everything you’re worth.  However, they are (understandably) trying to make a buck or two for their company.  It’s just important for you, as a consumer, to pay attention and make sure you’re only paying a fair price for services received.

Ladies, you wouldn’t pay full price for half a bikini wax, would you?

Didn’t think so.

And guys (or ladies), you’re not going to pay $100 to wash your car when you could do it for a fraction of that in your own driveway.

My point is, it pays to be inquisitive.

And look!  My floors are whole once again.

Laminate Floor

March 27, 2010

Did We Make a Mistake?

by Katie

It wouldn’t be the first time, I’ll tell you that.

I’m having to backlog much of this kitchen renovation (as well as a few other projects around the house) since I didn’t actually start this site until much of the painstaking think-sessions, backbreaking labor and battles over who’s right (me) and who’s wrong (hubs) were nearing an end.

But back in June when the floors went in, I was concerned.  I still am.  See, we didn’t  hire a designer or contractor to help us with the new space, but after several hundred thousand drawings, critiques from the wonderful people hanging out in the kitchen forum on GardenWeb and a consult with the man who would officially become my cabinet-maker, I was fairly confident that we had nothing to fear when it came to our new kitchen layout.

Unfortunately, through all of the research, planning and phone calls to my mom, I never even thought about how I wanted the whole room to look.  Not once!  I knew that I liked darker stained cabinets, stainless appliances, some type of flooring that would hide the dog hair and this really great slab of granite that we found at the distributor, but it never even occurred to me to think about how – or if – these things would come together.

Doh!

Where were John and Sherry with their mood boards when I needed them??

After doing exhaustive research on what type of flooring we should get, I fell in love with this laminate for the following reasons:

Shaw Majestic Summit Laminate

1.  Laminate can stand up to our destructive canine family members.  It won’t easily scratch, dent or otherwise succumb to most forces of nature found in our household.*  Wood floors, however, can show wear fairly easily (depending on species and finish of course).

2.  Unlike tile, laminate is easy on the feet.  As a novice cook, I find that I sometimes stand for hours in the kitchen trying to prepare one little meal.  Because it’s not an immensely hard surface like ceramic or porcelain tile, my feet, legs and back can hold out much longer while I’m standing on laminate.

3.  Affordable!  Okay, so laminate actually has a wide variety of price-points, but in most cases the material is much less expensive than hardwood floors and the labor (especially if you install them yourself) is typically cheaper than tile floor installs.

4.  Ideal for DIY-ers.  I’ll admit we didn’t install ours ourselves – we had some complications when it came to the cabinets that would have led to some intricate cuts we just didn’t feel comfortable making.  However, these would have been easier than wood to install because they don’t require glue or nails, and much easier than tile (we should know, we tiled our own bathroom).

5.  The aspect I liked the most about this laminate when I saw it in the showroom has ultimately become the aspect I’m most concerned about:

It doesn’t look like it’s trying to be something it’s NOT.

Huh?  What I mean is that it’s not trying to look like another type of material (i.e. wood or tile) – a trait for which many laminates are known and loved.  I, however, do not love that trait.  Laminate is not natural, and therefore will never look natural.  It is, in fact, a digital image repeated over and over and will always look the same.  That, my friends, you do not find in nature.

Shaw Majestic Summit in Sandstone Swirl

I suppose that it could arguably be trying to look like stone, but for all intents and purposes I feel like it has failed in that respect, and I find that to be a very good thing.

It looks like….

Laminate Floor

…a deserted beach?  (Wow, this was just after install.  Please ignore my unswept floors.  Thank you.)

Lamate Floor

…a supple suede?

Laminate Floor

…a plush wool blanket?

I can’t be sure, but all I know is that I wanted to find my own little patch of sunlight and bask in the warmth of this floor until the hubs became concerned and called the men in the clean white coats to come and take me away.

Until we picked the granite.

We had the floors installed before we picked out our counter tops (rookie mistake), and now I think they might clash!  I just. don’t. know.

I will show you the granite in due time, but at least until then I will continue to fret that we made some horrific design mistake in the name of practicality.  And while the logical side of me says this is not a big deal, the side of me who wants to be as naturally talented as that cute couple over at YHL is crying a little on the inside.

March 27, 2010

Two Steps Back

by Katie

A few weeks ago there was a devastating setback (at least in my eyes) to the kitchen renovation progress.  Yes, that project that has taken us the better part of two years has faced a challenge even harder to overcome than our own, slovenly ways.  Because it’s costing us not just time, but money.  And that, my friends, is very hard to swallow.

It’s like trying to squeeze a pimple, and rather than getting the satisfying “pop” of the defeated facial invader, you only manage to anger it and intensify its horrific appearance.

Ew.

Long story short – a mere 6 months since our new laminate was installed, I walked into the kitchen one day to face a small puddle of what appeared to be water about 3 feet away from the back door.  At the time I hoped it was water, but with 2 dogs I’m always hoping its water.  Beats the alternative.

I cleaned it up.  It was clear (whew).  A couple hours later, however, the mystery puddle was back.  In the same spot.  “Juuuussstiiiiiin,” I wailed.  This situation clearly needed a second opinion.  The astute observer of problematic leakages that he is, the hubs noted that the water was, in fact, coming up from under the laminate floor.  Not only that, but it was the third day of a persistent rainstorm, entailing winds and water accumulation the likes of which I’d never seen while living in these parts.

But we have a crawl space! How can this be?!?!

“You can see where the frame of your back door has rotted out,” noted Mike, the guy who originally installed our laminate.

Rotting Door Frame

“The wind must have blown the water to this weak point in the wood, soaked through to the wall next to the door, and crawled its way across the top of the moisture barrier to bubble up where it did.”  Three feet into the room!

Sigh.  Waiting for the visit from the owner of the flooring place.  Wish us luck! In the meantime, we’re stuck with this:

Missing Floor

The lighting was bad, but this is where the laminate was torn up and we were left with the white underlayment.  It didn’t stay white for long!

Why does it feel like we’re moving backwards here?